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The 2003 SE and/or KE conference

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(See also the San Fran harbour cruise page and the Around SF page.)


SEKE means...

SEKE means...
Attendance: Low
Nations: many
Hotels: Evil
Conferences: dull!
Conferences: stimulating!

Is this the SE and KE conference or the SE or KE conference?

If the former, we should see all these wonderful crossover talks; e.g. my stuff where I use a search inspired by AI on model checking.

If the latter, then most of the talks here could appear in an SE or KE conference without much modification.

Well, after watching the presentations, I can report that this is an "or" event and not an "and" event.

BTW, it's a good grad student conference. Acceptance rates are high (44%) so its easy for a student to get the experience of presenting their work.


Attendance: Low

SEKE means...
Attendance: Low
Nations: many
Hotels: Evil
Conferences: dull!
Conferences: stimulating!

Attendance at SEKE was low this year.


On the first morning, I counted 65 heads in the room, even though there were 115 registrations. And it got worse. After lunch on day two, there were only 30 people watching the two presentations.


The day before the conference started, Me and Gary ran our ML4SE tutorial. We had fun and it was good for us to see what each other has been up to. Which was good since only 2 paying folks showed. On the same day, a satellite workshop of SEKE had 8 papers but only 3 of the presenters showed up and NONE of the organizers were there (I had to chair one session for that one).

Another workshop, pictured left, had great guests at a panel session but the panelists nearly out-numbered the audience!


Why was it so low? Well, maybe it was something about the mood of the time:

  • Software ain't what it used to be. The conference was held in San Francisco, ground zero of the dot-gone meltdown.
  • A lot of the SEKE audience comes from ASIA and the SARS epidemic in Asia is making lots of folks thinking twice about travelling.


Nations: many

SEKE means...
Attendance: Low
Nations: many
Hotels: Evil
Conferences: dull!
Conferences: stimulating!

SEKE is very multi-national. Far less WASP than most North American conferences. Which makes it a great spectator sport.

For example, the Thais take one look at prices and die of heart failure. Lunch in San Francisco costs more than a flight from Bangkok to Chang Mai. Yesterday I watched a tiny Thai woman face-off a hamburger. We agreed that only an American-sized mouth could handle such a ridiculously huge mountain of meat.

The Germans are amazing. They can sustain an immense focus on technical matters for prolonged periods. Pedantic monotone descriptions with no quavering in the voice and no wavering of belief. An unstoppable juggernaut of information. For example, yesterday I took a bus to a harbour cruise and sat for an hour behind a German accent saying...

obviously, partially evaluating the plus function cannot be done directly in C++ where we are expected to supply all the arguments that a function expects so currying the function plus is not possible in straight C++ which is why we combine both cyclic resolution with a theta operator to compute a fixed point in linear time thereby unifying different programming paradigms resulting in a flexible modeling framework useful for .....

All said without ever taking a breathe.

Of course, Italians can't do this. In mid-flight they must stop to swill coffee, or have sex, or elect a new parliament, or do all three at once.

And as for the Swedes, once they leave Sweden the booze gets so cheap that they have a hard time with focus.


Hotels: Evil

SEKE means...
Attendance: Low
Nations: many
Hotels: Evil
Conferences: dull!
Conferences: stimulating!

I hate American hotels. The air-conditioning that sucks you dry and the uniformity that washes out your soul.


This one is better than most. It cultivates a deliberate and somewhat surreal French atmosphere. They answer the phone in French, the menus are in French(first) then Englsh, and they've recreated a mock French boulevard around the bar.



Still, it ain't and will never be Ubud. This "french" hotels plays the same selections from Frank Sinatra every day at the same time (strangely, as accompaniment to my first bowel movement). It'd never happen in Bali.


Conferences: dull!

SEKE means...
Attendance: Low
Nations: many
Hotels: Evil
Conferences: dull!
Conferences: stimulating!

Shock, horror, academic conferences are tedious events.

As a graduate student from Australia, I never noticed since I was usually jet-lagged for days one and two. There's me, over there, passing out in the middle of talks or fighting off the fog long enough to give a good talk.

But now I'm usually at conferences nearer my home time zone so I am awake and alert and aware of how much the speakers drone on and on and on and...
Conferences: stimulating!

SEKE means...
Attendance: Low
Nations: many
Hotels: Evil
Conferences: dull!
Conferences: stimulating!

Fortunately, dull conferences can be survived by applying coffee to smart people to generate interesting conversation.

Lunch on day two was spent talking to some folks from Thailand about feature subset selection. Imagine the scene- these tiny Thai women faced with American-sized meals. That almost shocked them as much as the size of the bill.


Aditya Ghose was there- we've been happily arguing about all this abductive since, um, 1997. We spoke about me getting a University of Wollongong part-time appointment. Hope that comes through.



One woman I spoke to lived in requirements engineering heaven. Three times a week and four weeks a month, Leila Meshkat goes to the Team X meetings (JPL's project design meetings) and watches real requirements being debated by real users. We spent hours talking about theory updates, and Martin Feather's hair, etc etc etc.

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